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After so many recommendations of my friends, yesterday I decided to watch 300. I like watching epic movies because of their grand style of showing the kingly life, people living and dying for their word, enemies also respecting each other and most importantly, for the fantabulous graphics. So with great expectations, I started watching 300.
The movie starts with background commentary of the protagonist who describes how a Spartan is made out of an ordinary child. This involves hell lot of cruelty to each child born in Sparta and until he becomes a true Spartan and comes alive from the jungle, where he was sent when he was only 7, he actually becomes eligible to be called as a true Spartan. The story itself looks too unconvincing when it is narrated by the hero himself. I was thinking that the commentary is only to make audience familiar with the story and will end in 10 minutes (which is the ideal tolerance level for me), but it doesn’t end till the finishing of the movie, I was thinking that better these people would have released an audio tape of the commentary rather than wasting time and money in shooting and expensive as well as unimpressive graphics. Not only this, in the whole movie, I was constantly thinking whether the story is really based on people living on this planet or it is a story like LoTR where magical spells and scary creatures exist.
The director has really short screenplay and very less to offer as a ‘new’ learning from this movie. When I say ‘new’, I mean that most of the lessons which are ‘tried’ to convey, are already taught in the classics which preceded this movie, like Gladiator and Troy. This would have been fine until they would have produced a decent movie. But every now and then the director reverts to body display, almost all the fights are in slow motion where the Spartans kill the opponents like we play video game, literally. Most of the turns of the story are either completely predictive or not at all convincing. Like how would you expect the land to vibrate when a big army is marching, are they heavier than dinosaurs or what? The king is standing naked in the moonlight, worrying deeply about his people and suddenly when the queen awakes, the king at once leaves all the worries and engages in what it seems as his daily ritual, of course, sex. If this was not enough, in the same scene, they enjoy it in almost all the recognisable poses of Kamasutra, probably, the director also wanted to prove that Spartans already possessed the knowledge and may be they didn’t really need to study Kamasutra. I mean, how do you expect the king to indulge in physical pleasure when he is deeply concerned about the safety of his kingdom and he is actually shown as fully committed to his people.
If this is not enough, the king foolishly makes a plan to defy the largest, unimaginably huge army of the world, by only 300 of his warriors and also makes a strategy. Without going into much detail, I’d say the strategy is based upon the geography of the terrain where they are supposed to fight. Now tell me one thing: an emperor, who has almost conquered more than half of the world and who is coming like a hungry whale to swallow your kingdom, wouldn’t he have studied the battlefield much before. After all, he is the person who has chosen to take the course of war and even the dumbest of the war planners know that the study of the terrain of the battlefield is the most primary task to be completed before making any other strategy. Not only this, even in the fights which are shown between the Spartans and the villain’s army, the director always uses the same angles to shoot, the same slow motion which makes you bored till death and no new moves at all. Even the dialogues fail to impress. The characters do not know any new word than honour and glory. I agree that in the past, people lived and died for these two words, but I am sure they didn’t literally rape these two words by using them in every alternate sentence. I mean, bring some innovation man!
And the villain himself looks more like a clown than a conqueror of whom the whole world is supposed to be afraid. Bound in golden chains from scalp to the foot and having piercing at unimaginable places, he has only a deep voice which may probably scare an infant, but not a warrior. Not only the protagonist, his heroin, the queen, also is a funny character. She seems to be a public entity; whoever wants, comes and takes disadvantage of her. Foolishly she entertains a senator for his vote in senate, who is known for his cunningness and dishonesty. None of the characters have been developed properly and most of the time is either wasted in slow motion fighting or in sex display or in clichéd dialogues. I do not have any problem with the love making thing, but the only thing is that it should melt in the story, while here, it is the only interesting aspect of the whole movie. The sets are pathetically fake, at some point of time, I was expecting the fake set’s paint to peel off.
Most of the Spartan warriors spend their time in teaching each other lessons of, again, honour and glory and they foully try to impress each other by speaking predictive dialogues. There is a very beautiful Oracle also and of course, who-so-ever is beautiful in this movie, is supposed to display her bosoms. Not even for one of the dieing Spartans, I developed sympathy, in fact, I was really happy that at least one mouth is shut which will not utter “honour and glory” once again! The opponent army is also equally fool, which in spite of its large volume, comes one by one to fight with these 300 warriors and choosing to commit a total suicide. I would also like to see if a person can actually fight with the heavy superman-like rob, which the Spartans carried with themselves, without any real purpose.
In short, the movie is pathetic, a big joke on classics like Troy and Gladiator and a mistake I made when I decided to waste my 2 hours in watching it. I recommend to all the movie buffs to watch the Epic Movie in stead, the movie which is supposed to be a mockery of 300, but which is more interesting and entertaining that the original 300 itself. Those who loved 300, I recommend you watch it again, and if you still don’t notice its pitfalls, you are lucky since, in this case, you’d love most of the crap movies and you wont feel disappointed most of the times when you watch a movie because you most likely to admire it.
Hmm…maybe coz you watched it in a DVD you felt so…the movie was a little boring and not to the extend you have described here.
There are parts when the scenes were visually beautiful…!!!
Respect your views ma’m.. and advice you to read the last line in the Blog once again!! hahahah…
What you like something, the movie becomes a HIT not matter what crap is in it….and if we like some movie we become Fools watching all crap is it….?!
What kind of Prejudice is this?!
Vatsal dear one thing you also agree that there are different opinion, thoughts right… so how much is correct to say that those who like the movies r fool?
I too respect your views and i wish you can keep your reviews limited to you. Rest will decide by their own choice. You have given one thought on movie on which will think.
If someone can’t notice pitfalls in movie like you. Still they admire the film ,it does not mean its crap. I wish you really respect others view which i couldn’t see in your post.
When I saw this post I expected a unprejudiced review….but alas it was nothing but that!!!
Never even once I said that those who liked 300 are fools and those who hated are the only intelligent species on earth.. each and every sentence in every review of mine are only and only my feelings.. when I said that you are lucky, I mean that you can ignore this pitfalls which is good because in that case, you are able to enjoy the movie instead of its drawbacks which I cannot.. it is as simple as that.. do you guys get it now???????
And one more thing, I haven’t still defied any of your or anybody’s views, it is you guys who are finding faults in my views, which itself is contradictory to what you adviced to me: ‘i wish you can keep your reviews limited to you. Rest will decide by their own choice.’ When I wrote the post, I never said that this is in answer to the review of so-&-so’s review of the movie 300. I only posted my views and still stick to them. Also I reiterated that you watch the movie ‘once again’ and then say if you didnt notice the things which I have listed. If you are speaking after watching it again, then I respect your views, but if you are not, your arguments will fall on deaf ears.. as my request ‘to watch the movie again’ went under blind pupils!!!
Movie is awesome i like it
Vatsal Just completed ur review. I wish you would understand what director wants to say before commenting or reviewing any film.
1. The intention of the film was never to show like Troy or Gladiator. It was made to show the graphic novel in which the story conveyed in comics form. So you can’t say that the sets in the film was fake… they need to be becoz the feel has to come comics not real one hwich you are talking about.
2. I would suggest to not to compare with ‘Troy’ or ‘Gladiator’ like movie which are completely different objective though they share history. But History also has different tales.
3. 300 is true epic was between Persian amry and spartan. Though it is fiction in movie. In history it says 7,000 Spartan marched to block the road but a person Ephialtes who betrayed Spartan and they Leonidas decides to fight with only 300 army with Persians.
4. The main attraction of the film is the strategy of fight and defeating the Persian army.
- if you remeber in Troy also they used the strategy to fight which was the attraction in the film.
5. And you are talking about showing some scences related to sex specially the Queen who you think unnecessorily indulge in it.
The Queen of Sparta unwillingly submits sexually to the person in return for the help to send force to Leonidas.
6. Film has mixed reviews and on an average it comes around 7 or 7.5/10. Even those whose don’t like still rated 5.6/10 which is still good i think.
7. Film has received 9 awards and 27 Nominations. And the actions which you don’t like it in slow motion only for that it won
8. The events in the film are 90 percent accurate.
When film came that time it was big hit. It talks some sense.
Not only that….though fictional the movie had some good and true moments which were good enough to sit back and enjoy…!!!
1. The intention of the film was never to show like Troy or Gladiator. It was made to show the graphic novel in which the story conveyed in comics form. So you can’t say that the sets in the film was fake… they need to be becoz the feel has to come comics not real one hwich you are talking about.
Ans: I never said that the director has to make a movie resembling to Gladiator or Troy. Of course it has to be another entity otherwise who will go to enjoy it. But at the same time, when you see a movie, sorry, when I see a movie, I always try to compare it with the best in the slot available. It doesn’t need to exceed the standard every time, but it should at least put a decent show, which for me, 300 failed miserably to do.
And who says I cant say that the sets seem to be fake?? No one decides what seems fake to me accept Vatsal Rathod. It seemed fake to me and that’s it! If it didn’t seem fake to you, good for you ma’m. As far as the comic feel was concerned, of course it was comic, comic in the sense that it created a lot of comedy in stead of feeling of proud and overwhelmness which a historical movie generally creates on me.
2. I would suggest to not to compare with ‘Troy’ or ‘Gladiator’ like movie which are completely different objective though they share history. But History also has different tales.
Ans: Above argument of mine answers this as well.
3. 300 is true epic was between Persian amry and spartan. Though it is fiction in movie. In history it says 7,000 Spartan marched to block the road but a person Ephialtes who betrayed Spartan and they Leonidas decides to fight with only 300 army with Persians.
Ans: Do you mean to say that the weird creatures which had saw like hands, and all actually existed?? I don’t think our scientist Abhi will agree to that. If it was based on a real story, it should have been presented as one. If it hadn’t make a proper fiction story and present it. What ever they do, they should have done better rather than relying on boring slow-motioned fights and physical pleasure seeking creatures in most of the reel.
4. The main attraction of the film is the strategy of fight and defeating the Persian army.
- if you remeber in Troy also they used the strategy to fight which was the attraction in the film.
Ans: I guess you didn’t read my review properly. I said in the very start that when a strategist assumes that the opponent will not review the terrain, s/he is not the ideal person the make the strategy. That’s precisely Leonidas did. And even funnier was the fact that Xerxies had actually didn’t do his home work. Hahahhaha…..
So the “main attraction of the film” (according to you) seems to be flawed ma’m..
5. And you are talking about showing some scences related to sex specially the Queen who you think unnecessorily indulge in it.
The Queen of Sparta unwillingly submits sexually to the person in return for the help to send force to Leonidas.
Ans: The queen of Sparta seems to be more amateur than a street child when she decided to submit herself. Just based upon the suggestion of one faithful senator, she goes on and offers herself. Shouldn’t she know that a person known for not keeping his word and probably the most corrupt person in Sparta will defy her as well? If she doesn’t, God bless Sparta!!!
6. Film has mixed reviews and on an average it comes around 7 or 7.5/10. Even those whose don’t like still rated 5.6/10 which is still good i think.
I don’t believe on ratings or reviews, I believe in my instinct. SRK’s OSO earned more than DDLJ and Chak De, do you like OSO more than these movies? There are hell lot of films which were no success commercially or award wise but are still close to my heart. The same happened with me in case of 300 as well. Many people recommended me the movie and I saw it but I was utterly disappointed. So you see madam, it all depends on personal choice, as you said in one of your previous comments.
7. Film has received 9 awards and 27 Nominations. And the actions which you don’t like it in slow motion only for that it won
Ans: My above answer should suffice for this.
8. The events in the film are 90 percent accurate.
Ans: Where does this 90% figure come from?? Is there a scrutinizing authority who determined this?? If it is your assessment, then my friend, I would give you the same advice which just now you delivered so eloquently to me ‘Keep your advice up to yourself’ and also ‘Practice what you preach’!!! hahahhaha…
There are still many unanswered question which are there in my review about the movie, but the important part is that they should have been answered by itself and if someone else has to explain the movie to me, then either the movie is not made for me or I don’t deserve to see that movie. In both the possibilities, its useless for me. I hope this answers your current as well as future questions. Still if there are any, you are more than welcome!!
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Answers says only Vatsal not the films… so i would rather leave to discuss about it. Becoz i don’t find any point disucssing with you
I can neither stop any one from jumping into a discussion nor can I force anyone out of it.. if you wish to leave it.. your wish and I truely respect it!! But my questions still remain unanswered.. never mind.. will leave it upto the creators of 300 to realize this!
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tum mahan ho, tum paramatma ho… 
You have just tried to continue the debate, Vatsal, showing that you can also cleverly project some statistics. In my view your points (but NOT ALL) were weaker.
The movie was a visual treat. It was equally boring.
It is loosely based on a true event where Emperor Xerxes was taken by a spartan warlord Leonidas. The count was greater than the exaggerated 300, as savita said, perhaps as great as 7000. They clearly gave an impedance to the vast army of Xerxes, and caused heavy casualty. They withstood the war, till the large greek army joined through their skillful warfare. It is history.
But like any of the historic films, this also had historical errors and omissions [the mentioned Troy & Gladiator too had many flaws when compared to the actual elements of history]. For example, projection of emperor Xerxes in a feminine fashion, exaggerating about the count of soldiers, etc. Moreover, these things hold true considering that it is in fact only a movie version of the graphic novel 300.
The review shows that you wanted to criticize almost every element of the movie, and you pulled in kamasutra, et al. Know that Kamasutra is not an invention, but just a first-documentation. The postures described, had always been tried out in many parts of the world before that. After all, sex is a biological need of every human being, and no wonder that any human will do innovations regarding it.
And if you still believe, that people are making huge sets for movies, you are to go back to 80s and watch movies. There were no sets. All CG Magic.
For all savita’s points, you did not answer them directly. Instead you escaped, by putting something else which were irrelevant for the point. When she said it is based on a true event with almost 7000 soldiers, you asked if all those creatures with saw-like hands existed. Cheesy!
If I were to review your review, I would say it was not so impressive. You wanted to have a different take, while I appreciate that, I point out that you did not have enough strong points to support your views. Better luck next time!
Of course I wanted to criticize each and every element of the movie because I didnt like any element of the movie. How can you force anyone to like something which he doesn’t like. And when I braught in Kamasutra, it was just a comic statement intended to add humour to the post and nothing else. If you didn’t get the humour, either it is lack of my communication skills or something else, but there is nothing to debate on it. It simply shows the over-flow of sexual scenes in the movie which is not at all required in my point of view.
I dont know that people still make huge sets or not, but I know that for Troy, they had actually built a huge wall, which also got burnt in an accident while shooting and was rebuilt. It is of course not at all necessary to build physically whatever you show, but it should look convincing to the audience. To me it didnt look like that. The lighting and the sets were clearly artificial.
Cheesy??? I actually asked that question boss. When you say something to be based on a true event and you show creatures which never existed, how can both things be true??? Why does Xerxies had to beg in front of that humped guy and promise him all the comforts of the world just to know a route to defy Spartans when he could have done the same by torturing him?? I respect that my review didnt impress you and I do not have any problems with that. I wont post the positives of my review to you and try to convince you that it was authoratitiely accurate and blah blah like everybody here is trying to convince me about the ‘greatness’ of the movie. I dont want to change anybody’s way of thinking and poeple shouldn’t try to do this as well. Please try to digest this fact. It deosn’t work with me, eventhough your intentions are to improve me.
Thanks a lott for the wishes sire!
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Hmmm…..! What an Answer?!
well, what Savita posted was a list of questions.. so you should have said ‘what questions!!’..
but I hope you’ll give the ‘what a Answer?!’ remark for my answers to her questions
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If whatever you wrote stands true only to you then why write about it in a public forum……?!
A Blog is not a public forum to be precise… it is a place where one can express him/herself exactly how s/he feels about something.. how s/he likes/hates something.. and thats what I have done.. I am not a professional reviewer who reviews movies keeping average audience in mind and evaluating if ‘people’ will like the movie or not..
All of your Blogs will also be reflections of your mind.. isnt it?? Or when you write your Blogs, you’re not yourself?? If this is the case then it is not a Blog perhaps, its an article, in my definition though. Think about what you are asking to me and are you ‘actually’ following what you are advicing me to do.. you’ll automatically get your answers!!
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If you reaIly respect others review you should have just written about the movie and given your views as an antidote….!!!
If you really want to advice me something then please read the review without bias in your mind (you can argue that how can I say you had biased mind.. but the same way I can argue that how can you say I dont respect others’ views and I didnt write just about the movie as well as didnt give my thoughts as an antidote!!!)
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I am in no mood for advice…….I am just trying to find out what you actually wrote?!
ohhh… soooo much o a struggle for sucha simple question.. it is all written above.. right in my post!! Were you commenting without reading them or what????? Hahahhaha…
It is not about commenting without reading it…if it had been nothing but that then would not have bothered to read it in the first place!!!
I was trying to understand what you have written to comment, I found nothing worth and still don’t…coz you have clearly stated you stand by your views not matter what!?
Of course, a blog isn’t a public forum, unless you publish it and make it available for people to access and peek into it.
Next time when you try to review something, face the arguments little different.
Don’t keep always saying [I (We) witnessed this quite a few times] – “it is my opinion, it appears to me so, and that’s it”. You cannot apply this “logic” to each and everything.
You say something different, and you can’t get away easily without facing an argument.
I want to see a vatsal who puts forth points which none can counter-argue, and leaves opponents dumb. Not a vatsal kid, who repeats – “you cant change my opinion, it is what it is” – shows that how reluctant you are to accept defeats.
Make better impressions with your readers and fellow bloggers to make our debating time worthy and gainful. Your nature would force you to give a reply – “I am not here to make any impressions with anyone, but only to express my opinions”. But you can’t be lonely for long in a community.
Opinions are not something that would remain constant forever.
Boo sire.. respect your views.. but I cant keep changing myself according to people’s preferences. I can’t be another Boopalan, Hashir or KK for that matter. Again I repeat, I have my own individual style of facing confrintations and it is valid in my point of view. I know that your advice is only in the interest of my improvement, but the thing is that even if I try, I cant change my style of thinking and perceiving things. You can’t ask Dravid to bat like Gail or you cant ask Malinga to bowl like Pollock. They simply cant do that, the same way, I cant change my way of reacting.
I am not here to make impressions on people neither I am desperate to be a part of any community. I always appreciate if people accept me the way I am. Of course opinions change, but not by force, by choice. For me, it is only myself who’ll choose if I have to change my opinion or not, and the more you guys will come down on me, the stronger my opinion will get
Another request I am putting to all is that please discuss the movie and not analyze my personality here because it is an utter wastege of time and energy for you only. Neither I am going to change by your opinoins and neither it is serving you any other purpose.
Hope you got the point. Happy Blogging!!!
I will try to make this objective and give actual facts, so bear with me please
1. Spartan Child
Sparta was a military state. There is some proof that some form of eugenics was practised, and if a new born baby was not upto the mark, so to say, it was thrown from a mountain top(as is depicted in the film). The military training of the child began at the age of 7, but there is no proof about the jungle incedent being true. Also, if you watch closely, the kid is not sent to the jungle at the age of 7, he is considerably older. They obviously can not portray the whole training process, and depicted a heavily fictionalized final test of sorts.
And yes, the story is based on people living on earth, but ages ago.
2. Screenplay
Most of the parts you do not like are for the people to visualize. The director wants the people to imagine an army so vast that it causes the earth to shake when it walks. Remember that this is a movie and not a documentary. The visuals of the movie are meant to be as in a graphic movie. It is not the same genre as Gladiator or Troy, but rather in the mould of Sin City. Understand the differences between the genres before comparing one movie to the other. And, as Boo said, neither the poses nor sex itself was discovered by Vatsyayan, he just documented them.
3.The number of soldiers
The actual battle of Thermopylae lasted for 7 days (with 3 days of battle), and initially had 14ooo greek soldiers against the army of Xerxes.
After the second day of battle, they were outflanked. Leonaidus sent away the majority of the army, and stayed behind with a small troop of around 2000 men including 300 Spartans and made the last stand. In truth there was a contigent protecting the other mountain pass, but it is not shown in the movie.
4. War strategy
The location of the war was chosen by the greeks so as to render useless the Persian cavalery. The pass would impede their advance and movements. Also, this was much before the satellites came in to help in understanding the terrain. The pass was the only way for the Persians to enter mainland Greece. And the problem with having a huge army is that you have to keep it moving to ensure prroper supply. If your supplies grow low and you are unable to move forward, you have to go back. In that the Greeks had a great tactical advantage.
5. Spartan teachings
Sparta was a military society. The only way for them was war and how one carried oneself in it. Their code of honour was much like the rajputs in India, and you can not find fault with that.
Having said all this, I would also like to point that this is above all a movie. The director has taken a lot of artistic liberty in depicting it, but as it is not based on the true story but on a comic book, he is justified there. This is a graphic movie above all, and should be viewed as such. Even the so called historic movies like Troy have veered from the original storyline, but no one found fault in that. I’d suggest that you first try to understand the differences between the different genres of movies before reviewing them.
One more suggestion – I agree that a blog is a personal place, but sometimes you need to watch what you are saying lest they convey something else. For example, the last line of your post implies that those who like 300 love most of the crap movies and have no taste at all. Try toning that down a bit.
For me, there was no surprise about the last lines, since it is all expected from a reviewer who liked junk like ‘what is your rashee’ (which was turned down by many reviewers) and wanted to give oscar to the actress. Again in the name of personal opinion. Why dont you title it ‘personal opinion’ in stead of ‘review’ then?
Boo sire.. you can call WYR a junk if you found so but it doesnt change the fact that the movie entertained me. Of course if you determine that a reviewer who likes WYR will always produce such useless reviews, then better not waste your time reading a piece of crap and moreover not wasing energy while commenting on it.
Everybody has his/her personal choices and you cannot say their choice is crap. I never said that those who like 300 are dumbs and they will always like crap. I hope you’ll also return me the favour and not at least commenting on my face an argument like this which itself contradicts your own advices given to me free of cost.
Again, as I said previously, a review is always a personal reflection of the reviewer and a sane reader will always understand that the review will never be fully 100% accurate. Thatswhy, the title of my Blog is 100% accurate from my point of view. If you think it should be changed thenyou have the Admin rights. Please go ahead and change it, I will not mind
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If you never said that those who like 300 are dumbs and will always like crap, how do you explain the following lines –
“Those who loved 300, I recommend you watch it again, and if you still don’t notice its pitfalls, you are lucky since, in this case, you’d love most of the crap movies and you wont feel disappointed most of the times when you watch a movie because you most likely to admire it.”
And where did the point about Admin rights come from??? No one here has ever changed a post of another MoTAite just because s/he did not agree with the views put forward? You are being kiddish buddy.
@Guys,
There is a very fine line between a discussion and an argument. Do not step over it please.
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Now, there is no point in making a discussion or argument…coz, Vatsal says, Even if it for his —–(Whatever, that is) he is not bothered….and wont make any change!!
I guess, the worth is pointless!!!
Good Point KK!!!! hahahaha……..
Agreed for this point.. i shouldnt have used the word CRAP in that perticular sentence. My mistake and I offer apologies for the same. Will update the blog for sure for this one. Thanks for pointing it out buddy
Done with the changes.. kindly verify and approve!!
i saw the movie long time back i kinda liked it in parts and did’t like it in parts
when the king hits the messenger with his leg in the beginning was too much to digest
especially beauty of a woman …. 
and when the king goes to lepers for advice and the girl who was drugged and moved like something without any direction how can she be an oracle
According to the story the most beautiful girl is a oracle and for me BEAUTY CAN’T be measured
regarding the kamasutra part i feel its natural for couple to indulge in that when they have troubled times .. coz i look it in a way that it eleviates the couple to out of the world experience where they lost the count of time and trouble
I admire the startegy part coz the startegic advanatge king got by using that locaton he banked on that
example :- u get advantage in war when u r above the hill rite and ur enemy below…
I feel the slow motion scenes in the movie were deleobrately done to show the goriness of the battle… basically to emphasize the scene …
The thing about the king’s wife having sex with the senator is really a thing which amuses me coz if she is spartan’s wife … then she will never do it at ANY COST…
I really feel at the end of the day SPARTAN do stand for honour and Glory…I respect SPARTANS from the prospect of legend movie i will say OKIE not good not bad
Adding more to my comments , I also feel that its unforunate that reveiws outweigh the main blog in the manner that has happened know .. otherwise an equally interesting review is always welcome with commendable points which present the argument in a subtle manner … I think we should remeber that even the movie makers put a disclaimer :- Its fiction nothing else
wooow.. a first unbiased comment which doesnt criticize me and which only talks about my review or the movie.. thanks a lot for it Aditya.. hope others learn from you!!! I respect your views on the movie.. great that you liked the effects as well as the movie itself
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There is a lot of difference between a just-visitor and a fellow-motaite. We have always developed such great bonds to comment on each other.
We don’t have to learn anything from anyone. As said, unless you did not pull others in [for which you said you are going back and editing], we would not have pulled you in.
woow this is great.. I am supposed to change my style of replying, responding and reviewing on the provided comments.. but noone here is interested in making a change on their own part.. how much sensible this sounds..
One more thing… I’d advice eachone to speak on his/her own behalf and not to represent others.. not to offend you but someone here might not have the same thoughts as you have and in that case it is not a correct thing to do.. isnt it??
What are trying to do Vatsal? What’s your point?
You seem to be sticking to your views just because you wrote it and others are arguing against it.
Then, I would say that it is your ignorance and that you are just trying to be impertinent…..!!!
Nobody here who commented wanted you to change or make editions to your review, we are just saying that there is another way of saying your view and please do take or introduce it to your writing, coz you are the benefiting end not us…!!!
You don’t wont to do so, it is still fine with us.
But we as your friend and the bond that we developed being in a group we persumed that you would heed to what we are saying and that can be implied in your writing as you go about writing more……Alas!
Time will certainly bring you to the point where we are today…and you will certainly know, that is a certainity that I leave here….!!!
Like you always, it is your view….but I see it as yours too…!!!
No man is an island till he wants to be…!!
So you mean that no matter what, I should accept each and every suggestion coming my way even if it is not relevant in my perspective??? Of course maney people here want to change me/my writing style here if you read the comments clearly: “respect other views when you say so-&-so”.. “you cant say that the movie had this defect (without any proof such statements are made)..” and on & on & on..
Yes of course time will bring me to a point where ‘you guys’ are right now.. only if I discover a time machine and go back centuries in past.. hahahhaha.. kaisi rahi
And a man is a kingdom if he doesn’t let anyone rule him..
Yes, certainly you will need a time machine…it would be present past!!!
There is a saying in Tamil – “Thani Maram Thoppu Agathu” – meaning ‘A single tree does not hold a forest’ !!!
@Vatsal buddy,
You still don’t get it, do you?
We have been repeatedly saying that this picture is an adaptation of a pictorial comic of the same name, where those scenes were first imagined. The dialogues, the creatures, the oracle, the war, the hunch-backed man, the senator, et al, were depicted in the picture as they were, in the comic. I give the references below. [Please open each link in new tab, and see yourself]
http://satyambloggers.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/300-13.jpg
http://satyambloggers.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/300_fwr.jpg
http://satyambloggers.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/300comic.jpg
http://satyambloggers.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/300comparison.jpg
http://satyambloggers.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/300-firstday.jpg
http://satyambloggers.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/300horse.jpg
http://satyambloggers.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/300-oracle.jpg
http://satyambloggers.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/300-well.jpg
A reviewer has certain qualities while reviewing any object. Like you have your own definition for a reviewer [which is not useful for us anyway], the majority expects any reviewer to do some groundwork / homework before reviewing. Such as the source study – reading novel for a novel adaptation film, watching original film in case of a remake, etc.
Obviously in your case, it is missing. You did not compare it with the comic, and you did not know what happened in history, yet you claim your review to be perfect.
You are asking logical questions on Xerxes ability as an emperor. If someone makes Ramayan into a film, would you ever ask questions like – ‘Was there a monkey who could fly, and who could lift a mountain? what crap? Why Ravan who is an emperor, kept sita without marrying her till last minute even though she was under his powers? Why, sita, a wise woman, crossed the line by lakshman?’.
Because you know the source which is the epic. Without a source study, any review will be worthless. Here the source is the comic [which is loosely based on historical event], and you could not be asking logical questions during the adaptations. Not so clever.
A review is certainly not based on one’s own likes or dislikes to something. Applies to everyone here – Hashir, Shafat, Savi, Kavi, Nafs, me etc. None of us should be taken away by thought, that if we have a word editor, we are reviewers and writers, and we can do reviews just going by our own thoughts.
I’ll certainly not ask a Dravid to play like others. But I am sure I am not talking to a Dravid or a complete player. Keep in mind there is always room for improvement.
Regarding wasting time on your post, and wasting energy on your comment, if we don’t like it – I would certainly have kept shut, if it was posted in your personal blog, and when you said it is personal opinion for first comment. Here it sounds like, “I’ll walk naked. If you don’t like it, turn your head / or close your eyes. I’ll scream horribly, if you don’t like it, shut your ears, don’t listen to it. It is my wish”
We want quality content as readers, and fellow bloggers. We’d certainly comment on the content and the author if it is not up to the mark. If people want only positive comments, and hate less positive comments – only they should themselves post with lot of “wow”s and “ah”s.
Regarding references to your personality rather than the film, since you pulled in the personality of readers who liked 300 [which was pointed out by hash], we were forced to pull the reviewer a little in.
We were not trying to explain you the greatness of the movie, when we ourselves accepted the movie was no great. I said, ‘it was equally boring’. We were not trying to ‘change’ you. We have thousand better works to do. We just point out the flaws in your content and approach, since we have every right to validate a content in our blog as a reader. [You have rights to validate others, certainly. You have rights to deny any alternative opinion too. But knowing the fact and majority opinion is important for whoever wants to write.]
I’ll not be talking to anyone this much, [I know you'll not be, either] if it were not for the respect towards you, and the interest to improve anyone here through feedback. People cannot be bluntly omitting all the feedback.
@Boopalan….
How would you relate to this statement of Vatsal – ‘Quoted’ -
“It deosn’t work with me, eventhough your intentions are to improve me.
”
I neglected it because he is one of our good friends
He still has time to understand what we are trying to convey him.
According to me, what vatsal is doing now is right.
I write a review, thinking that people will accept the alternative opinion and welcome it. Contrary to it, the audience retaliates.
I did not expect it, and I did not even prepare for it. As a writer with my own ego, I’ll certainly not accept my defeat. I won’t go back and edit the review too, even if I were the last man on earth. I’ll start to say it is my opinion.
When audience comments intensely, my ego grows with it, and I stand firm on what I said.
This is what is being done now. We should not expect Vatsal to change his opinion / review / etc. Rather I concentrate on putting my points forth, which at least later would help him, when he is calm.
[Note: There is always a greater-ego, and ego surrenders to the Greater-ego]
You are depressingly wrong sire.. see my reply to Hashir.. I have admitted my fault to him and promised to edit the Blog for that sentence
Please check yourself before making any predictions about any person.. “you dont get it, do you???” hahahhahahahahah..
Happy Blogging!!!
Not so depressing, when you yourself were depressingly wrong on everything else.
wrong in your point of view which is mostly unproven till this time.. I have proved that you were wrong by editing the post and apologizing.. any actions taken from your side?????
Will reply to this in the night sire.. dont be disappointed!!!!
Although the whole of your comment (except the part where you have given the links to the pics of comic) is irrelevant to my post, I am obliged to answer you since you have seriously taken an effort to write such a long comment, of course with a humble motive to improve me as a reviewer, responder. I am giving my responses to your comment in italics, please go through them and let me know your thoughts on it.
.. and I can still go on and on and on until everyone is against me and I am all alone taking on everyone.. I really enjoy doing that!!!!]
@Vatsal buddy,
You still don’t get it, do you?
We have been repeatedly saying that this picture is an adaptation of a pictorial comic of the same name, where those scenes were first imagined. The dialogues, the creatures, the oracle, the war, the hunch-backed man, the senator, et al, were depicted in the picture as they were, in the comic. I give the references below. [Please open each link in new tab, and see yourself]
Ans: I should have consulted you guys first before watching the movie because the director himself was not bothered to convey me this detail that the movie is an adaptation of a comic. Is it for the audience to do research before watching the movie or is it the duty of the director to inform the audience of the backdrop/source of the story??
http://satyambloggers.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/300-13.jpg
http://satyambloggers.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/300_fwr.jpg
http://satyambloggers.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/300comic.jpg
http://satyambloggers.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/300comparison.jpg
http://satyambloggers.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/300-firstday.jpg
http://satyambloggers.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/300horse.jpg
http://satyambloggers.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/300-oracle.jpg
http://satyambloggers.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/300-well.jpg
Ans: The pics look really amazing. Probably the comic would have been really marvellous, but each novel/comic which gets converted into a feature film doesn’t necessarily have to please each one watching it.
A reviewer has certain qualities while reviewing any object. Like you have your own definition for a reviewer [which is not useful for us anyway] [Ans – appreciate that it was not useful to you.. are you sure it wasn’t useful to the other MoTAites as well????] , the majority expects any reviewer to do some groundwork / homework before reviewing [Ans – did you consult the ‘majority’ before issuing this statement or is it merely your thoughts being voiced on the name of the ‘majority’???]. Such as the source study – reading novel for a novel adaptation film, watching original film in case of a remake, etc.
Obviously in your case, it is missing. You did not compare it with the comic, and you did not know what happened in history, yet you claim your review to be perfect. [Ans – I never claimed my review to be perfect. Give me one written evidence and I swear I’ll accept in written in this forum that I was completely wrong in my assessment of 300, if you are not able to gather the proof, kindly stop making baseless assumptions.]
You are asking logical questions on Xerxes ability as an emperor. If someone makes Ramayan into a film, would you ever ask questions like – ‘Was there a monkey who could fly, and who could lift a mountain? what crap? Why Ravan who is an emperor, kept sita without marrying her till last minute even though she was under his powers? Why, sita, a wise woman, crossed the line by lakshman?’. [Ans – anyone who makes Ramayana movie should tell the audience in advance about the source of the story, as I stated above earlier in a response to you, or else shouldn’t get impatient if such questions are thrown on him/her.]
Because you know the source which is the epic. Without a source study, any review will be worthless. Here the source is the comic [which is loosely based on historical event], and you could not be asking logical questions during the adaptations. Not so clever. [Ans – As I have already told, I was not aware that the movie is based on a comic, so the whole argument is, in your words, ‘worthless’.]
A review is certainly not based on one’s own likes or dislikes to something. Applies to everyone here – Hashir, Shafat, Savi, Kavi, Nafs, me etc. None of us should be taken away by thought, that if we have a word editor, we are reviewers and writers, and we can do reviews just going by our own thoughts. [Ans – whatever I write in my posts are my own perceptions and I write keeping only myself in mind. I seriously do not care how people are going to take it, because the day I start doing that, I am going to be someone I am not and I prefer to be left alone in an argument rather than compromising with my stream of thoughts.]
I’ll certainly not ask a Dravid to play like others. But I am sure I am not talking to a Dravid or a complete player. Keep in mind there is always room for improvement. [Ans – Again, that was just an example of telling you that my pattern is different from what your are suggesting and I am not at all claiming that I am a proven player like Dravid. Dravid is a legend and I cant scale his heights even in my dreams. I just gave Dravid and Yuvaraj’s examples because Dravid is a patient player and Yuvaraj is a blaster. I am really disappointed that even such simple examples I have to explain. Alas! I hope I am through this time.]
Regarding wasting time on your post, and wasting energy on your comment, if we don’t like it – I would certainly have kept shut, if it was posted in your personal blog, and when you said it is personal opinion for first comment. Here it sounds like, “I’ll walk naked. If you don’t like it, turn your head / or close your eyes. I’ll scream horribly, if you don’t like it, shut your ears, don’t listen to it. It is my wish” [Ans – Exactly, you are absolutely right. Unless I am breaking any law, I am permitted to speak/write/express anything which comes to my mind in our country. You can also speak/write/express your responses to my acts, but you certainly cannot stop me doing what I am doing unless it harms you.]We want quality content as readers [Ans – who defines this WE???????], and fellow bloggers. We’d certainly comment on the content and the author if it is not up to the mark. If people want only positive comments, and hate less positive comments – only they should themselves post with lot of “wow”s and “ah”s. [Ans – firstly, I’d request ‘you’ to send me a detail documentation of what quality standards ‘you’ expect ‘your’ fellow MoTAites to follow in each and every posts of his/her. And if this is the case, I surrender in advance that I am certainly not going to care about the quality of the content on this forum. I believe strongly that this portal is made to voice our feelings/expressions and not to please each other. If I am wrong in my assumption, kindly remove me from the contributors’ list. It would be a favor to me, seriously! Also I’d like to advice you to make aware each new joinee about the quality standards of this portal so that s/he doesn’t commit a dreaded crime as I have done.]Regarding references to your personality rather than the film, since you pulled in the personality of readers who liked 300 [which was pointed out by hash], we were forced to pull the reviewer a little in. [Ans – I already apologized for that.]
We were not trying to explain you the greatness of the movie, when we ourselves accepted the movie was no great. I said, ‘it was equally boring’. We were not trying to ‘change’ you. We have thousand better works to do. We just point out the flaws in your content and approach, since we have every right to validate a content in our blog as a reader. [You have rights to validate others, certainly. You have rights to deny any alternative opinion too. But knowing the fact and majority opinion is important for whoever wants to write.] Ans – Agree totally to this point.
I’ll not be talking to anyone this much, [I know you'll not be, either] if it were not for the respect towards you, and the interest to improve anyone here through feedback. People cannot be bluntly omitting all the feedback. [Ans – I can talk endless on this Boo sire.. you don’t know how much hungry I am always for any kind of a discussion
I guess…we put an end to this whole thing….!!
We aren’t getting any further!!!
no no.. please continue… I am enjoying it… me against everybody.. I always love such confrontations.. seriously… FIREEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
i would certainly think twice .. oopps.. a million times before writing a review after all this !!!!
You too Brutus….
Antz, it is not the review or the character of Vatsal that we are questioning here…or criticizing or advising or whatever…we are just trying to make sense to a lot of mishaps in the review….that is not in the purview of readers!!
Come on man.. how many times you get to enjoy such a heated debate where the whole world seems to be against you and you have to fight alone.. I am already feeling like a Spartan right now.. hahahaha… try it out once man.. you’ll surely feel an upsurge of Honour and Glory
khulle Sand !!
……. seeng mar hi dia aakhir tune ! 
hahahaha
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.well i haven’t watched the movie yet.. !! but ab to dekhna hi padega !!
buddy i always read ur diff type of blogs.. like ( he made my days.. etc) but i always miss these movie review typo blog of urs like WYR.. 300 !!
but keep blogging..